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Mr Suffolk |
4-way race for 2nd LD |
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Guldi, Schneiderman as independents?
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Bob Olson |
I heard George was circulating DEm petitions | ||||||
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Evidently, the rumor is that George is circulating his own Dem petitions for 2LD. He is a brilliant attorney so I have to assume this is a some kind of
strategy to help in his court case. He alleges the charges brought against him are purely political and only resulted when he indicated he wanted to run for
the county legisature again. The problem George has is that, due to term limits, he can only run for one term (unless his "break" starts the clock
all over). That was the problem Vince Canusio had when he primaried for town supervisor. This could get whacky.
Who did the Democrats and Republicans nominate? I assume they are merely running placeholders in anticipation of some kind of deal with Sneiderman. |
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Bob Olson |
George evidently filed enough signatures for 2LD | ||||||
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George evidently filed more than enough signatures to force a primary for 2LD. However, my guess is that he will not be primarying Tom Henry for the Dem nod.
I think George has essentially forced Rich Schaffer's hand into finally giving Jay the Dem nomination. Jay would then have to fight off a Guldi challenge,
as well as whoever the GOP finally decides to run. The Republicans could now decide to run a serious candidate if they think George can beat up Jay enough for
them to win.
Of course, George has to first get enough of his signatures past the BOE to force a primary. If he does, he owes Terri Scofield a big thanks. Terri is a workhorse and an amazing woman. Her relentless signature gathering ability and intense loyalty is nothing less than mindboggling. I don't think I have ever seen someone quite like her. |
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terriscofield |
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Bob, you're making me blush like a school-girl! I appreciate the kudo's and acknowlege I did bring in most of the signatures, but I'm not
Wonderwoman - it could never heve been done in such sparse east end turf without the assistance of my 3 drivers, who literally drove me from door to door in
torrential rain, suffered constant mosquito attacks and gave up beautiful summer weekends they could have been at the beach!
Frankly, the frenetic and "relentness" nature of my efforts on Guldi's behalf this cycle is a sincere attempt to redeem myself with the good people of Suffolk County for the huge mistake I made last cycle in working for Greg Fischer. I think the "intense loyalty" you mentioned above references how long it took me to heed the warnings from you and all the others about that fraudulent excuse for a candidate. I heartily apologize, but had to experience and witness Fischers lies, self-serving use and disposal of people, violence and lack of integrity for myself. To add insult to injury, I persuaded George to take on Fischers criminal case, and having witnessed Fischers violent freakouts firsthand, now think it is possible, probable and likely that Fischer actually did assault and threaten the mother of his children. I can only say I am sorry to have been taken in and used by him, and will do my best to make it right by supporting only credible candidates I know well from here on in. On the up side, a number of us have spent years urging George to jump back into the fray, and his move this cycle comes at the perfect time to act on my need for redemption. Guldi was always an extremely smart, honest and hard working legislator, and in the 15 years or so I've known him, I've experienced and witnessed only decency, thoughtfulness. integrity and a committment to truly good government for ALL the people. During the ten years he served as 2nd LD legislator, the entire county benefitted fom his expertise, work ethic and accomplishments. It was quite informative to listen to people in the 2nd district express their anger and frustration at Schneiderman and local Democraric representatives and then have them express such relief and excitement at the prospect of Guldi's return to the legislature to represent them. The citizens of the district are fed up and eager to be heard and well-served again. And I am proud to participate in making the change they clamor for. |
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Mr Suffolk |
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This is interesting conversation. I think there's a process. I've organized about 25,000-30,000 signatures over the years (I prefer inspiring others to
gather, though -- probably only got about 700-1000 myself). Anyhow, we all start off backing complete nutjobs. Then move onto mavericks. Then, after awhile and
a few wins, you start to back incumbents just because you'd backed them when they were younger and less established. They become friends. But it's
EXTREMELY BORING running incumbents. That's where I am. EXTREMELY BORED. The nutjobs from many years ago start to think you're a
sellout. It's all quite thankless.
Anyway, back on point, the nutjobs do have some value and should be taken seriously. They try to keep you, as organizer, honest. Also, only a nutjob would get hundreds of signatures during the hot summer. So, I salute the nutjobs. They have more integrity than most "sane" politicians. Though Fischer and maybe even George may have leapt over the edge! So I wouldn't actually RUN a nutjob at this point in time. :-)
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terriscofield |
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So, according to Mr. Suffolk, I'll be forgiven for backing Fischer last cycle? Thanks, maybe I can stop beating myself up now.
However, I strongly disagree with Mr. Suffolk lumping Guldi into the "nutjob" camp. George grew up here, built a respectable practice, was involved in the community for many years prior to being recruited by credible people for his first run, and served with intelligence, integrity and honor. He's proven himself with a track record to be proud of. Fischer moved here 7 or 8 years ago, following the first ex from Virginia, who took his first set of children (now in their early 20's, living in Sachem), and fled from his craziness. He did not disclose this information to me until well into the campaign, at which point I was fully committed; the "intense loyalty" Olson spoke of above clouded my judgement... it was just a downhill deterioration from there. I did not know that Fischers 2007 run for the Riverhead Town Council was merely a stepping stone to set himself up for a state Senate run. Apparently, under the NYS Constitution, only a state senator can institute impeachment proceedings against a sitting judge. That is the ONLY reason Fischer wanted LaValle's seat, and it became a crusade for him when the second ex took the second set of kids and fled in September of 2007. Again, I did not know about any of this, and dismissed the many warnings from various camps as the old guard being threatened by this seemingly credible newcomer. Don't get me wrong: Fischer is an intelligent guy with some good ideas. It just took a ridiculously long time for me to understand that in the end, it's all about HIM. He's really very much a Machivellian elitist who makes a good show of prentending to care about people and issues as long as it falls into his self-serving plans. Unfortunately, he does not possess the requisite integrity, focus or discipline, and explodedinto frightening tantrums with increasing frequency. And, folks, we haven't seen the last of him: his current meal ticket is another case a him exploiting the low self-esteem of a woman whose soon-to-be ex-husband (a top Cablevison excutive) blatantly bedded everything in sightfor the 20+ years of their "marriage". and he's telling anyone who will listen that she's going to buy LaValles seat for him next year. So be nice to Fischer - if he can refrain from freaking out at her long enough, we'll end up calling him Senator. So, while I appreciate Mr. Suffolk giving me a pass for making a mistake, I wonder if he'd care to rethink lumping George Guldi and a real "nutjob" in the same category? |
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Gunna Win it |
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You know as insane as this sounds, George could actually pull this off. If Jay fails to get a cross and George ends up with the line, he would be facing a few
"place sitters" Were Democrat petitions signed for Jay, or is the idea that the Committee on Vacincies will apoint him if the bosses make a deal?
Curiouser and curiouser here on this race. |
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terriscofield |
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I suspect Olson is correct: it's possible, probable & likely that Rich had petitions circulated for Tom Henry just to make it harder for our team to
collect for George. That way they have the backup option to send Tom home and let the committee on vacancies bypass the rank and file (who expressed their
wishes with their signatures) and appoint Schneiderman. Just another case of "screw the people". Apparently, party leadership on both sides prefer
political sock puppets to credible candidates.
However, I'm confident George can even pull it off against Schneiderman. Look, Jay's an ok guy, but it's my contention he doesn't measure up to Guldi in terms of intelligence, innovation and institutional knowlege. I know he also angered quite a few folks by being quoted in Newsday as saying something to the effect of he "... beat George when he wasn't under indictment...". Uh, Jay? NEWS FLASH: the grand jury was (& I think, still is) being presented with the case when you gave that quote. Georges supporters and quite a few fence-sitters are pretty disgusted with blatant attempts like that to besmirch a mans good name. Ultimately, though, even were an indictment to be obtained, it wouldn't hurt Guldi much - this is still America, where the accused are afforded the presumption of innocence. Besides, wasn't it Sol Wachtler who said "... a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich"? |
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ISOM |
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Truth of the matter is I heard from some very credible sources that George's problems all began when he expressed an interest in running for district
attorney. Now that he stands indicted he had no chance to win that election. It will be hard enough to beat Spota if you have a clean slate, impossible if you
are under indictment.
George's exploratory into running for LD, may or may not have any bearing on that election if he chooses to run for that office. I believe we will hear much, much, more of what is going on before election time comes around again. I believe matters will sort themselves out after the primary. I just don't see the likes of a George Guldi sitting still for what has been done to him. |
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terriscofield |
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Isom, did Guldi get indicted today? I spoke with him just a few minutes ago and he reported that Tom Henry dropped out (Olson called that one correctly) and
that the GOP gave their line to Schneiderman, then we both had to answer other calls, but he sure didn't seem upset or preoccupied.
You happen to be right on the money about why he was charged. He was emphatically WARNED not to run, but you know George... he doesn't respond well to threats! Hehe, this campaign is going to be a non-stop HOOT! |
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Bob Olson |
The GOP endorsement of Jay caught me and others by surprise | ||||||
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There are a few of us "inside baseballers" who got caught somewhat off guard with the GOP endorsement of Sneiderman. As of a few hours ago, key
Republicans were considering a run against Jay who they assumed would be endorsed by the Dems. However, we shouldn't be surprised. I really don't know
what all the delaying tactics by both the Dems and GOP meant. I think each wanted to see what the other was going to do in regards to Independence Party
member Jay.
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Mr Suffolk |
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How many signatures did George himself get? Just be careful. I don't know what to think about the mortgage scam thing, but I do not think the voters will
respond well to it. George's running did force the GOP to substitute him.
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Bob Olson |
I don't think too many Mr. Suffolk | ||||||
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We have tons of brainiac "talking heads" in politics. You know the type: the guy with the "soaring intellect" whose wants to be viewed as
the smartest guy in the room. Many of them post here. Most of them have never ever even seen a petition or actively involved themselves in the hard, mundane
grunt work of a campaign. Terri Scofield is not one of those people. She has extreme passion and she puts her money with her mouth is: with worn shoe leather
not a lot of trying to impress others how much smarter they are than everyone out there.
I think it is time now to drag out my most favorite quote of all time by the patron saint of the Integrity Party: Teddy "Roughrider" Roosevelt. This one is for you Terri Scofield no matter what happens in this race. Your hard work is not in vain:
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The plot thickens as it looks like Jay is going to get the R, and C line along with the I, as per todays Newsday. I think George has a better than 50/50 chance
at taking the D line in a primary. The general gets sticky, but I can see a lot of Rs not going with Jay.
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terriscofield |
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LOL, now I'm Bob Olson's "hero"? Hmmm, can somebody please inform all the people I begged, pleaded, cajoled, lobbied, harrassed and bullied
on Guldi's behalf?
Again, Bob, I appreciate the sentiment, but the real heroes here are the drivers. I got ice-water, snacks, gratitude and lots of appreciation and support from interaction with the folks behind the doors signing the petitions. The drivers got to sit in sticky-seat cars all day and listen to me tell them to "hurry up", "slow down", "wait" and the ever-popular "back the #@$* up, you missed it"! Yeah, it will be interesting to see whether Rich Schaffer spits on the rank and file and installs Schneiderman on the Dem line to primary George, or whether he will respect the wishes of people who voted with their signatures and allow a real election. Hehe, with all the collusion between the major parties and these bizarre cross-endorsements the last few years, I've forgotten what a contested election feels like. |
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terriscofield |
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Mr. Suffolk, I think you under-estimate the intelligence of the good people of the 2nd LD. About half the folks who signed for George knew what he's been
charged with and understood he is under attack precisely because he refused to be intimidated out of running. Of the remaining, about a third asked,
"Wasn't he just arrested"? or "Isn't he indicted..."?, which I responded to with full disclosure and passionate urging to send a
message that between delaying Marty Tankleff's freedom by 2 years, the debacle of charging the Filippino nurses and these egregious accusations against
George, Tom Spota needs to be reined in and the party bosses need to be sent a clear message that the people won't tolerate a justice system run for
"just us" or the loss of choice by all these crazy cross-endorsements by party bosses.
I was also informed that since Tom Henry dropped out, Rich Schaffer no longer has the option to bypass the rank and file and install a candidate, so Guldi is the Dem candidate and we won't have to run a primary (phew!). To Bob Olson: man, I am truly humbled and honored by your kind words and the TR quote. I am well on the road to redemption. I owe you HUUUGE for listening to all my whining about damaging my good name, reputation and crediblity by my support of the candidate I ran last year. Though I like to say I'm never wrong, only "mistaken", I've swallowed my pride and have been making apologies and amends across the board... LOL, sure has kept my ego well in check. While I relish the strategic and tactical side of this game, I've never been averse to scut work. I'm one of those odd ducks who actually enjoys and needs the on-the-ground interaction with the people (though I could do without the rain and mosquitos!). I know I'm not the smartest person in the room, but I'm certainly among the most resouceful. My dead dad had a saying that "you must constantly scan your environment for available tools and weapons". For me, that's being aware of what you DON'T KNOW and recruiting people with the knowlege and expertise you lack. You don't have to know it all, you just have to know where to find it! One of the reasons so many of us worked so hard to suck George back in is a personal motto of mine I've used repeatedly on Guldi during his "off-years": IF ONE HAS THE ABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO EFFECT POSITIVE CHANGE, ONE HAS THE INESCAPABLE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO. You don't get to choose; if you're aware and awake enough to see the problems, you MUST craft what solutions you can. Let me leave you with a paraphrased quote from Edward Allen that runs a close second: A TRUE PATRIOT MUST ALWAYS BE READY TO DEFEND HER COUNTRY FROM HER GOVERNMENT. 'Nuff said? |
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Mr Suffolk |
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No, the Dems can put anyone in Tom Henry's vacancy, perhaps Schneiderman.
Guldi can only serve one two-year term. He's running as interference for his legal issues.
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Bob Olson |
That's a good question Mr. Suffolk | ||||||
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I am also not sure if George can serve more than 2 years if he is miraculously elected. On the other had, I am told that the clock may start over again since
he never lost before serving his last limited term. I think it depends exactly on how the term limit legislation was drafted and made law. I also believe
that Schaffer will nominate Sneiderman. I think the Republicans nomination of Jay was not over ideology but was purely strategic. The Conservatives fell in
line. I think the GOP wanted to beat the Dems to the punch.
I really don't see how anyone with only one line (even if it is Row A) can beat someone with a minimum of 3. It becomes more of a problem when the candidate has legal issues and is limited to one term if elected. It really doesn't matter if the person is innocent or guilty. Just having criminal charges pending will be enough to spook the electorate. That is why the DA is so powerful. He can convene a grand jury and indict anyone. Voters just don't know the difference between an indictment and a conviction. It sounds the same to them. Also, Terri, don't quibble over a criminal arrest and an indictment. In a sense, they are the same. The state has to have "probable cause" to effect an arrest. All a grand jury does is pawn off the responsibility to average citizens. Spota doesn't not absolutely have to indict George to proceed to trial. If George is indicted then this discussion is moot. I am in Mr. Suffolk's corner on this. This was a political "Hail Mary" pass by George to somehow try and get the DA to back down. Spota wouldn't have arrested George in the first place if he was prepared to proceed all the way to trial. Spota isn't going to take down a politician unless he plans to bury him (figuratively). There is an old axiom in law enforcement that once you decide to take someone out, you go for the jugular. George better be prepared for the worst. However, none of this takes away from your amazing accomplishment Terri. What is even more remarkable is that every single one of those signatures you got are bona-fide and valid. There is no shame in trying to help out an old friend. It makes you the better person. I just hope George didn't take advantage of your intense loyalty like some other person we both know. |
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terriscofield |
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Apparently, Schaffer doesn't get to execute a bait & switch in this case - Geroge has the Dem line, and perhaps a minor line or two if we can pull it
off at this late date. Even if he runs on just the Dem line though, it's not impossible.
BTW, I just checked with Paul Sabatino, who confirms the term limit clock starts ticking away anew, so Guldi gets the full 12 years if we can get him in. I do acknowlege it'll be tough, but that's half the fun of it! Didn't someone say a few posts ago that they were bored to death running incumbents? And guys, be careful here - you know, the quickest way to get me to do something is to tell me it can't be done! Ouch! I can't believe Mr. Suffolk thinks George is "...running as interference for his legal issues". You're kidding me right? All it does is make him a bigger target! And Bob Olson; Oh ye of little faith! You've got to give the people some credit. Sure a lot of them are sheeple who believe what they read in Newsday or see on the 11 o'clock news. But the ones who actually get out and vote actually care and some of them care enough to do a bit of homework and vote responsibly. Hey, there's a campaign slogan! "Vote responsibly: Choose Guldi". Maybe we can get the Grey Goose Vodka guy to do the voice-over, LOL. Besides, people don't like bullies, and will back the underdog being bullied. Nobody wants to see a good man taken down for nefarious purposes. You can sit in a room and listen to the pundits spout, but the voices of authority are those behind the doors and in the streets. Believe me, this is no Hail Mary pass for Guldi, he's coming back to serve and I mean with a vengance. And thanks for your concern, but George Guldi is no "Poolboy" (BTW, we've shortened Meal-tickets name to TripleM, 'cause it sounds more Gansta and identifies her without actually naming her). Anyway, I'm in redemption mode now with a credible candidate so Forward Ho! |
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terriscofield |
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Oh, boy, I'm wrong again!!!
Just got word that Schaffer intends to give a Wilson-Baccula to Schneiderman, so looks like we have a primary after all! Hehe, the fun just never stops!!! |
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Bob Olson |
Hey, at least there's a race Terri | ||||||
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I admire your loyalty and your pugnaciousness Terri. I really do. I acknowledge that George is a brilliant attorney and a fighter, too. In all fairness,
George really does not have anything to lose in running. Who knows? If there is abundant evidence of prosecutorial malfeasance, George gets to put it all out
there in the court of public opinion for free. In a sense, George gets a chance to allow prospective jurors know what is really happening with his case. This
is a case where a highly publicized and controversial election could work in George's favor.
Make no mistake. I admire George's political expertise. He has forgotten more about politics than I will ever know. He is also a lot smarter than I am. So, there is most likely a method to his madness. George can also use his campaign as a bully pulpit to unearth some buried political bodies the public is unaware of. The most dangerous person in politics is someone who has nothing to lose. George has nothing to lose in running. It's not like Spota will go easier on him if he chose not to run. In that respect, I wish George the best and hope he airs out all of the Suffolk County dirty political linen. After Marty Tankleff, we could use some real ventilation. Maybe, George can ask the public why the 3 killers that everyone on Long Island knows murdered Arlene and Seymore Tankleff are still running free? I am sure George can sneak that into his debates with Sneiderman somehow. That is, of course, if George does get some objective media coverage. In Suffolk County, that's a big "if." |
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